Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Pete Tabord » Mon May 09, 2011 9:52 am

Graham - yes, you are right - as long as you have an old server in use (2003) then Win7 will realise it has to use the old shells.

Yes, indeed you can disable SMB2. If you do it on the server you don't have to mess with the workstations as they will automatically use SMB1, but of course you need all the XP and earlier registry settings for DataEase.

There is allegedly a serious performance penalty in doing so, however. (They would say that, wouldn't they).

I did have a link to how to do it at least for server 2008 - here it is:

http://blog.korteksolutions.com/disable ... rver-2008/
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Garry Flanigan » Tue May 31, 2011 12:01 pm

It has been a while, but my DE6.12 client has moved to Win7 and is running fine using the "local" trick.

Happily I was not involved and only provided some direction and the client went ahead with the tech guy they used to configure the new workstations. The main app has approx. 10 users with 3 "power" users processing sales orders (entry, order confirmations, picking slips, delivery dockets, invoices, credit notes) and so far with no problems after 2 weeks. No special registry settings were applied.

Anyway, I think users should be confident that DE in small networks is fine with Win7!!

Thanks to all for sharing their experience, which provided the ray of hope to proceed.
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Pete Tabord » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:12 am

Yes, as with all DE networking it basically comes down to so many difficult-to-measure things that we end up just being empirical. The basic guideline is that if the DFW system was working on XP with no problems and no need for registry settings then it is likely to continue working on Win7. The problem comes when you needed to make the oplocks etc. registry settings to make DFW work reliably, as these settings have no effect on an SMB2 setup.

As a very rough guide, because all sorts of factors such as the balance between record entry and bulk processing in DQL's, relative performance of server and workstations, even type of cabling, can affect the issue, I repeat as a rough guide, it seems something about 10 users is the breakpoint.
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Graham Smith » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:38 pm

OK, here is a new twist on this. Got a call today from a customer that was moving DE 6.52 from a XP computer to a Win7 one. Copied the DE652 directory and the shortcut from the XP and put them on the Win7. Changed the name of the directory to DE652.local and copied the DataEase.exe to DataEase.exe.local. Immediately got the DLL error.

After much screwing around, we found that if he changed the folder name to DE65.local, DataEase loaded fine. For that matter, we could name it almost anything except what the original name was and it worked.

The second problem was that it could not seem to find the configur.dat on the server. After much screwing around, we found that creating a whole new shortcut solved the problem.

I still cannot explain either of these, but for the next workstation swap, he is going to start by creating an empty DE652.local directory, then copying all the program files into it. Then create a new shortcut from scratch.
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Stewart Allen » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:45 am

Q1:
We have long since not used the DE 6.52 install as we started with the original version on Terminal services and applied the patches over time and only added user licence packs. ... the original install CD is corrupt and the the licence we have does not work with the download from Sapphire.

How would you get DE6.52 working on Windows 7 without running the installation?
(with XP there is no need for DE652 installation - just copy installed DE folder to hard drive and setup shortcuts)

Q2:
Has anyone tried to setup DE6.52on Win 2008 server release 2?
De6.52 worked fine on 2008 server release 1 .... but it seems that 2008 server release 2 is now the same as Win 7 ... so it has the same problem.
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Phil Winkler » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:28 pm

It's not getting any easier is it? I have no idea what you should do to try and make that work.

How about simply migrating your 6.52 app to Ffenics and all your troubles go away?
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Stewart Allen » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:30 pm

Hi Phil

If only migrating would be as easy as it sounds...
~1000 tables, > 8000 docs, Oracle connections.... plenty of OML that does not always work in Ffenics

It is on the cards, but that would be a minimum 3 month exercise.
i need to get the app working on 2008 server by Nov 1st 2011.

mmmm.... wonder if a 2003 Hyper-V virtual session supports Terminal services..... :twisted:
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Phil Winkler » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:40 pm

never mind... :cry:
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby benjji » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:13 am

Stewart Allen wrote:mmmm.... wonder if a 2003 Hyper-V virtual session supports Terminal services..... :twisted:

any chance you can install virtualbox on the server and then install an XP system virtually ?
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Stewart Allen » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:05 am

we currently use Win 2003 Server and all users connect via TS Application sessions on the 2003 server.

A new server has been acquired with MS Server 2008 R2 and Hyper-V.

Have previously tested 2008 server with DE6.52 and it worked fine. Did not expect the problem with 2008 R2.
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Stewart Allen » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:23 am

Sapphire were very helpful and provided updated serial for the DE6.52 download. Thank you Sapphire (DataEase.com) :D

i know this is old hat for others, but it is new for me
Used Richard's .local method and got DE6.52 & app running perfectly on Win 7. Thank you Richard :D

Did a little further reading on .local re-direction: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682600(VS.85).aspx

Now i know how to get it running without the DE install.
All that is required is that the DE652 folder and a copy of the DataEase EXE must have a .local extension.
All DE6.52 shortcuts or command file references must point to the original DataEase.EXE within the the DE652.local folder.

App & DE652.local folder with appropriate CMD file simply copied to any Win 7 workstation works perfectly.
It even works 100% on Windows 8 :mrgreen:

Will test on Win server 2008 R2 on Monday.
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Phil Winkler » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:31 pm

And yet with a Win7 pc the other day nothing we tried worked. Richard's plan, etc. It may have been because it was 6.5 rather then 6.52, but who knows?
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Stewart Allen » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:43 pm

You may be right Phil.

Tried applying the 'fix' to an old 'patched up' install and it did not work.

One other thing found is that the image DIL's in DE 6.52 do not display some graphics properly (this is for old patched up DE6.52 and the DE6.52 download from Dataease.com).
DE7.2 has newer version DIL's with the same names.
Replaced the DE6.52 DIL's with the DE7.2 DIL's and all graphics display perfectly :D
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Stewart Allen » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:15 pm

Good news!

DE 6.52 runs on Windows Server 2008 R2 (64bit) with the .local 'fix'

Still need to do some serious testing, but so far no obvious multi-user locking conflicts or table inconsistency errors.

I have not applied any of the normal registry settings recommended for 2003 server as i was not sure if these work for 2008 and wanted to first see if it works without changes.

Is anyone aware of any registry or other settings that should be applied on 2008 server R2 for DE?
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Re: Running DE 6.52 in Windows 7

Postby Phil Winkler » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:29 pm

Why run it on the server in the first place? Good news nonetheless, I guess.
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