Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

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Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby KjetilUrne » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:37 pm

Ffenics 2.0
You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum.


Is it a glitch or is it only open for the ones who bought a license?
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Gil Fleming » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:46 pm

I get the same Kjetil. Probably a glitch..
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby SamT » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:26 pm

Yes same for me. I too guess you only gain access if you buy a licence.
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Gil Fleming » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:57 pm

Sam, accessing the forum to help others is hardly a privilege. People could just post their questions in the v1 forum. There are already issues with v2 that need sorting so reducing the gene pool to v2 users only would appear self defeating. Perhaps team ffenics can explain.
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby SamT » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:47 pm

Gil,
You are quiet correct. The new version of Ffenics comments and its glitches should be open forum. I am guessing FFenics ,wrongly in my view, want to suppress adverse comments on this Forum with Version 2. They still do not understand the loyalty of their long term Ffenics/Dataease users . I really do ,however, have sympathy with Ffenics management trying to design /support a product with a limited financial budget.
Also I have not contacted them to ask if they would kindly open the 2-0 section to me to view or post on so I can t really biatch can I
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Gil Fleming » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:56 pm

Sam, the 2.0 forum currently shows zero posts and zero topics. There are several possibilities:

1. Version 2.0 is so user-friendly that no-one needs help or has any issues with it
2. No-one has access to the forum and cannot therefore post
3. No-one is using V2.0
4. Team ffenics don't read the forum and therefore aren't aware that the 2.0 section is locked
5. Team ffenics is on holiday and they aren't back until late October


Perhaps we could start an unofficial 2.0 thread in here. :?:
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby SamT » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:25 pm

I sense a bit of a rebel in you Gil :D [using all of my willpower not to start a thread on 2 asking who has upgrading and how are they getting on ] :lol: :lol:
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Graham Smith » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:37 pm

That's rather odd. Usually, if you can see a section, you can at least see the threads.
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby leethr » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:09 pm

You should all be able to see the 2.0 section now :)

Could you let me know if this is the case? Or if I need to go digging in the back even further :)
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Gil Fleming » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:19 pm

Just beein in to the 2.0 room. It's threadbare and very echoey. echoey. echoey..... :roll:
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Pete Tabord » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:02 pm

We have several live users on 2.0. But, unfortunately, they aren't forum users. Some have never used the forum having access to their own experts, others have dipped their toes in and found the forum to be a somewhat forbidding environment.
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Gil Fleming » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:32 am

Pete Tabord wrote:....others have dipped their toes in and found the forum to be a somewhat forbidding environment....


Or perhaps they've tried to post in the 2.0 forum, found that it's locked, then just thought "what a waste of time and monthly license fee. I wonder if there's other software available to me that does offer community support."
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Pete Tabord » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:02 am

No. Because we talk to them direct, so we know why they don't use it.

The problem is, I think, a generational thing, and I'm as much to blame as anyone. I want to know the whys and wherefores of how things work and I therefore explain in detail, as do several of you who try to help. But the younger folks mostly don't want that, they just want to know which button to press. They are used to text messages and twitter and everything being very concise.
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Gil Fleming » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:48 am

To be honest, Pete, I can't agree with your reasoning. Ffenics isn't something that you can just sit down and be productive with in a matter of seconds. Anyone can design forms and do flat-file stuff but, if that's what you're into, you don't need a RDBMS, you can get by with Excel or Access. When you want to do real world automation of business tasks, ffenics is, in my opinion, a super-fast way of getting there. It's just a shame that DSL chooses to be secretive about its developments and intentions. If you spoke more to people who develop real business apps (not internal filing cabinet apps), you would see the opportunities for added value mods that every user would happily pay for. Email integration is a good example. That, if properly implemented, would have been an excellent chargeable service release. The system used in 2.0 does not have the facility to obfuscate the password, which some might find concerning from a security standpoint.

Ffenics is very rewarding but it has a steep learning curve for the novice (which is why I am amazed that you don't offer training - it's a real missed opportunity). The forum, in my experience, is supportive and nurturing and experienced users are always glad to help out or to share nuggets of information. People don't expect their own-design system to be up and running at the press of a button, regardless of age. If you want to appeal to that type of user, then you could consider some kind of wizard system but I've never found them useful at all. The way to get the most out of ffenics is to sell the difference. The way that ffenics can be 'upgraded by using elfs is phenomenally powerful. Tidy up the annoyances with the basic engine, boost its functionality with elf releases and you'll go somewhere.

I am now folding up my orange box and putting it away for the winter.

By the way, what happened to the 'like' option? It's disappeared from the forum.
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Re: Permissions to read topics within the 2.0-section

Postby Pete Tabord » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:20 pm

It isn't up to us to compel people to build complex apps if they don't need to. Which is what you appear to suggest.

We have access to the customers (the vast majority) who don't use the forum. They - especially new users - have given us feedback as to why they don't use it.

I don't know what happened to the like option - I'll ask.
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