Who are Geneva Solutions?

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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Adrian Jones » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:27 pm

Mea culpa re most of the copy in the email, including the reference to spreadsheets.

I wrote this and variations thereof for the May London Excel Start-up Business show, and it featured in handouts and demos.

(I'm kinda flattered that Ed thought it good enough to reuse.)

The spreadsheet idea -- which Pete and I had discussed many times, and which also features on the Ffenics home page -- is to suggest to new users that they should stop using a spreadsheet for their data and move it into Ffenics.

My copy from the mailshot is a distilled version of that on the home page. I think I reduced the wordage down to 25%.

Why Geneva sent out this mailshot rather than DSL could do with some clarification...
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Gil Fleming » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:29 pm

I noticed that the Geneva website is heavily loaded with MS offerings. I hope that Ed's purchase of ffenics isn't just a stepping stone vehicle to access the DatEase/ffenics customer base in order to turn it over to MS products. That would be disappointing.
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby andyclinton59 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:08 pm

There is a special website for the Ffenics & DataEase offerings of Geneva.

http://www.genevadb.co.uk/
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Adrian Jones » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:19 pm

Nice typo as well ... :)
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Gil Fleming » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:32 pm

Ricacles are twiceacles as niceacles.......
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby KjetilUrne » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:42 am

Adrian Jones wrote:Why Geneva sent out this mailshot rather than DSL could do with some clarification...

If you ask me, it's not the only thing that needs clarification...



andyclinton59 wrote:There is a special website for the Ffenics & DataEase offerings of Geneva.
http://www.genevadb.co.uk/

Well, it's so reassuring to read that "Peter", "Susan" and "Giles" are happy about it.
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Adrian Jones » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:09 am

KjetilUrne wrote:Well, it's so reassuring to read that "Peter", "Susan" and "Giles" are happy about it.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Gil Fleming » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:22 am

I'm inspired!

Our website will now feature:

Edward, found wandering the streets with his laptop and a clutch of non-working MS Access applications. Then he discovered ffenics. He liked it so much, he bought the company!
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Phil Winkler » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:28 pm

It is interesting that Excel users are being targeted and that makes a lot of sense. Back in the 80s and early 90s the DataEase sales and technical staff used this technique to make tremendous sales. They would go into a company and ask to use a copy of one of their more complex spreadsheets (Lotus). IN an hour or so they would create a DataEase app from it with data, simple reports, menus, etc. Many, many companies bought a lot of DataEase product based on those demos.

Heck, read my story on our web site about how I used it when working in the Pentagon. The Army Surgeon General's office bought a hundred copies based on that.

There is no reason Ffenics can't use the same technique.
1. Create a form just like the ss, repeating columns and all.
2. In the ss use Save As and select csv as the format.
3. Create the normalized forms/subforms
4. Import the data
5. Create a DQL to blow the data out into the normalized forms

Badda-bing....fill out the order for them.
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Gil Fleming » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:03 pm

Phil, when you describe it like that, I can almost feel an automation tool coming on.... :)

.....thinks........ if only Phil lived in England and not just in my computer......
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Phil Winkler » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:06 pm

Gil, you recall DFD was able to convert Lotus files.

Did you ever read my first experience with DataEase 2.5?
http://www.plmconsulting.com/biopcw.html
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Adrian Jones » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:36 pm

It should be sort of possible using ODBC and a text link.

Having opened the link you could then save the auto-generated form as a native one.

I say 'should' because attempts just now to get this to work crashed each time.

But if all the ducks could get in a row, then it could be a way to very quickly turn a spreadsheet into a Ff app. #Oneday

But we're getting off topic. Back to Switzerland, surely? :)
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Gil Fleming » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:38 pm

Sorry guys, I need some of those adult diaper pants. I've just found a Geneva email in my spam (maybe the same one). I'm pasting part of it, but, before you scroll down, imagine the word you would use to complete the sentence. Then raed on to see how the mailshot actually finished.

Ffenics is a Windows database application tool aimed at you, the business owner, not the clever techie. It is non-technical, not rocket __________________(your answer here).

OK. Did you guess 'science' perhaps? I did too. What do we know. Here's that mailshot text in full:

Ffenics is a Windows database application tool aimed at you, the business owner, not the clever techie. It is non-technical, not rocket surgery. It's the perfect alternative to spreadsheets!

Are they confusing rocket surgery with brain science? :mrgreen:
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Gil Fleming » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:59 pm

Phil, that was an interesting read. Yes, I remember the lotus 123 functionality. I also started with 2.5 (pirated I think) installed on a Tandon PC with a 10mb hard drive. The only other installed software was WordPerfect and a spreadsheet called 'The Cracker' . It was very crude but it was leaps and bounds ahead of the Commodore 64 previously used, coupled with a super-slow dot printer.
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Re: Who are Geneva Solutions?

Postby Adrian Jones » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:00 pm

Gil, I repeat that this is copy I wrote a while ago that they have re-used.

The 'rocket surgery' misquote was deliberate on my part. I heard someone (I assume) mis-speak it and liked the, well, I can't think what the term is -- it's a bit of a Spoonerism, I suppose.

Again, it's the same copy or variations thereof from the website, which again I wrote.
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